STAFF-ROOM CHAT

[Scotland 523]

25 minutes ago, Aegon Targaryen said:

Ok so question seeing as this isnt normally a situation. I get who it is and what it involves, but every time you guys have closed Mpliers OS lvl. 2 nominations, they just have renominated him. This is the 3rd time an about a month. Im just curious how you guys feel about it@Emmy The Boss @Scotland

It's a bit of an odd situation in all honesty. If it doesn't pass this time I'm going to put an amount of time before they can post it up again. 

I don't think we have any rules surrounding situations like this currently in place. 

[KSI RiiOT 7 305]

Perhaps enforce a rule this time for the person nominating to actively go get the witnesses, majority of people seem to leave it and assume people while just see it and witness 

[Scotland 523]

59 minutes ago, ASM RiiOT said:

Perhaps enforce a rule this time for the person nominating to actively go get the witnesses, majority of people seem to leave it and assume people while just see it and witness 

I have communicated this to Impy as he was looking into the whole 3rd nomination thing.

We will proceed as normal, and I will review it regularly. 

[Emmy The Boss 308]

1 hour ago, Scotland said:

It's a bit of an odd situation in all honesty. If it doesn't pass this time I'm going to put an amount of time before they can post it up again. 

I don't think we have any rules surrounding situations like this currently in place. 

2 hours ago, Aegon Targaryen said:

Ok so question seeing as this isnt normally a situation. I get who it is and what it involves, but every time you guys have closed Mpliers OS lvl. 2 nominations, they just have renominated him. This is the 3rd time an about a month. Im just curious how you guys feel about it@Emmy The Boss @Scotland

 

So i think that Scotland has addressed how to move on for this time around

I will add this, when we closed the second one, I considered whether we should ask for a certain time lapse until we get a re-nomination just like you suggest or not. I would say that while we do not have official time limitations for situations like this, it would make sense to have an unofficial rule about it, aligning with how you need a certain time lapse in-between os nominations of various levels. Also, I do have a vague memory of am unofficial rule covering this from years back when I first joined the team, but I can't remember the details and there's no documentation of it that I am aware of. I think this is something Scotland and I will be discussing if nothing else, simply to determine a precedent for future reference

[Truecifer 354]

Muahaha I love giving you guys work to do >:)

I think the only reason he is being nominated again is because it doesn't make sense that a senior leader such as Pliers should not have OS Lv 2 when *Removed*

Just pointing that out

[Scotland 523]

5 minutes ago, True 7 said:

Muahaha I love giving you guys work to do >:)

I think the only reason he is being nominated again is because it doesn't make sense that a senior leader such as Pliers should not have OS Lv 2 when *rtemoved*

Just pointing that out

Regardless to his position, if he cant get people to witness then he wont get it. I appreciate that senior leaders do a lot for the community but remember thats why we are here, to hear the members views and to vet it.

If the Board and senior leadership along with those who he has helped along his way dont want to step up and say how hes helped them, then thats a failing on their part and not this departments' as some people have been saying recently.

[Emmy The Boss 308]

Yes, it is unfortunately not a new thing that people complain about the AAP not doing things right and blaiming them, when we do not deliver results they desire. But we can only work with the nominations we get, and so I think it is important that we all do our best to explain to anyone and everyone that when you are on the AAP staff you basically live in an old cave relying solely on the information given to us from witnesses. If someone will get an award or not is solely based on the facts and qualitative statements handed to us. So right now we've got to work on ensuring that people are aware of this  

So, if we review the progress on my weekend challenge to you all, four of nine staff has submitted one or more nominations (and if anyone is wondering I think it is clear that True is currently way ahead, so you guys know who to try and catch up with ). It would however, for extra cupcake points be worth really digging into the awards list. We have so many awards that haven't been issued for a long time, both more obscure ones and ones that used to be coveted by our members years ago (for the really active members the goal would be getting e.g. the wasted life/forum addict/spammer awards). I'd love seeing something more than the common nominations coming in, especially as that will show our members the width of awards available  

Now, I would like to present another challenge to all our staff. Without cheating (looking up descriptions or guides on how to handle specific nominations), what are the requirements and the details that we look for in an 

a ) OS lvl 1

b ) OS lvl 2

c ) OS lvl 3

d ) MOST Outstanding

award? Let's see where we all stand in terms of what is expected and what we as staff should be looking for in these awards  

 

[Scotland 523]

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@Aegon Targaryen

@KSI KiLLER 7

@True 7

@ASM RiiOT

@xTheKing 7

@FaIIout

@KSI Skarzx

@KSI BadKitty 7

@Collector 7

[KSI Airborne 7 565]

Well, obviously the necessary rank difference between levels 1-3 is there. Then as far as what they are for, and correct me if my understanding is wrong, but they are for going above and beyond the duties of the ranks. Its not for just being a good General, Director, etc. It's for going beyond good and being Outstanding (see what I did there). So to me, someone needs to not only be great, but so far beyond great at what they do and at going beyond what their duties are that people are simply amazed. Someone of the likes we do not regularly witness in KSI.

For Most Outstanding, I have never even been a part of a nomination for MO. My understanding here is that you must be the best of the best of the best in everything you do for this community and again going above and beyond any duties or expectations. I would assume this would only apply to someone who has broadly affected most, if not all, of KSI in such an Oustanding positive way that KSI as a whole couldnt have possibly made it through without their actions. 

 

That is my 2 cents for what its worth.

[Emmy The Boss 308]

4 minutes ago, Aegon Targaryen said:

Well, obviously the necessary rank difference between levels 1-3 is there. Then as far as what they are for, and correct me if my understanding is wrong, but they are for going above and beyond the duties of the ranks. Its not for just being a good General, Director, etc. It's for going beyond good and being Outstanding (see what I did there). So to me, someone needs to not only be great, but so far beyond great at what they do and at going beyond what their duties are that people are simply amazed. Someone of the likes we do not regularly witness in KSI.

For Most Outstanding, I have never even been a part of a nomination for MO. My understanding here is that you must be the best of the best of the best in everything you do for this community and again going above and beyond any duties or expectations. I would assume this would only apply to someone who has broadly affected most, if not all, of KSI in such an Oustanding positive way that KSI as a whole couldnt have possibly made it through without their actions. 

 

That is my 2 cents for what its worth.

Thank you as soon as the rest of the staff has pitched in (and don't be afraid to repeat what others have written as long as you don't plagiarise, we want to see the full perspective of each and every one of you), we'll discuss the things you bring forward

[Scarface 77 359]

So in considering Outstanding Service obviously cannot get lvl 2 or 3 without the former. Think only Division leaders and higher should be a witness as it will be their testimony that displays the individuals actions to help grow the division due to being an outstanding officer . Meaning That member is doing everything you expect as well as going out of their way to help members in their division that isn't necessarily in your squad. Example being a Gen of one squad hosted a recruiting workshop for another squad just to help them out . If you are nominating a divisional leader or higher than the rank above them would be needed for witness statement. Just my opinion

[Truecifer 354]

Outstanding service is so much more than just doing your job. It is about going above and beyond at that job. Honestly, that makes it difficult for some people to write witness statements. Many members feel that we require nearly a book in order to possibly qualify for this award. And in a sense, they are correct. We ask for details about how they have exceeded expectations, overcome obstacles, improved any aspect of KSI. Stating that someone is doing their job tells us, the award staff, only exactly that as this department is much more web-ops than clan-ops based.

Levels 1 through 3, on top of achieving rank statuses, signify the level of "outstanding-ness." With how many people has this person gone above and beyond for? How many crazy circumstances has this person persevered though?

Most Outstanding is one of the most prestigious awards, if not the most prestigious. Not many people have been fortunate enough to receive this award. One person I do know that has achieved this level of award is @ImPyyy, and rightfully so. I hope that helps put into perspective just how much Most Outstanding truly means. This award is extremely intimidating and also difficult to achieve because you have to receive all 3 Outstanding Service awards, which is no easy feat. After receiving Outstanding Service on all 3 levels, Most Outstanding must be awarded through the same method - many, many quality and factual witnesses with much to say.

[KSI Collector 7 182]

9 hours ago, Emmy The Boss said:

Now, I would like to present another challenge to all our staff. Without cheating (looking up descriptions or guides on how to handle specific nominations), what are the requirements and the details that we look for in an 

a ) OS lvl 1 - look for witness statements that explain how the member has gone above and beyond the requirements/expectations for that rank. (ie. this person goes out of their way to help another division/squad/dept./etc.)

b ) OS lvl 2 - cofo or higher, we look for similar witness statements except I would expect to see more quantity and better detail of how the individual goes above and beyond.

c ) OS lvl 3 - div leader or higher, look for same as lvl 1 and 2, however I would expect to see a very large quantity of witness statements (varying from all ranks/titles) as well as very detailed descriptions in the witness statements. For this one I would expect a great deal of factual instances of how they go above and beyond their expectations.

d ) MOST Outstanding - I know this one has a maximum of 10 given out per year, however I haven't seen anyone get this award in the last 2 years or so. Also this one I would expect to see even more detail and amount of witness statements for this one.

 

A question I do have, I'm not sure if I'm right on the rank requirements for lvl 2 and 3, but I want to verify that these rank requirements are something that the nominee would have had to achieved in the past, and not that they have to have that rank currently, am I correct in that?

[KSI RiiOT 7 305]

During my time as AAP head in 2012 we only handed out one Most Outstanding and that had a list of that persons accomplishments to that date since joining and very detailed statements from high leadership including Fuzzy and the CoS at the time 

[Emmy The Boss 308]

12 hours ago, KSI Collector 7 said:

 

A question I do have, I'm not sure if I'm right on the rank requirements for lvl 2 and 3, but I want to verify that these rank requirements are something that the nominee would have had to achieved in the past, and not that they have to have that rank currently, am I correct in that?

Once everyone has given their view of the requirements, I'll cover your question In the meantime, would you care to elaborate on the original question?

11 hours ago, ASM RiiOT said:

During my time as AAP head in 2012 we only handed out one Most Outstanding and that had a list of that persons accomplishments to that date since joining and very detailed statements from high leadership including Fuzzy and the CoS at the time 

Any other comments on the question as a whole? 

 

And keep it up, guys! It is interesting and enlightening to read all your statements. It may seem simple and straightforward, the work we do. We have awards, they have requirements, if there is sufficient evidence, the award can be given out. But some of our awards are slightly more complex (as we can evidently see from your responses), and that means that we have to discuss them to make sure that we are all on the same page  As soon as we have some more replies, I'll make sure to cover all bases and answer any questions. 

[Scarface 77 359]

This is one reason why I'm glad to be in AAP, we all got a voice. Also finally got my 7s . 

 

I just feel like in the case of being on a 7s staff that is active and Full it may be hard to go above and beyond without someone feeling like your stepping on their toes . So clarification on that aspect is where I'm typically having a hard time. Think when you call it outstanding service it just means you hit all point of your job without fail .At Least for Os Lvl 1

[Scotland 523]

1 hour ago, KSI Skarzx 77 said:

This is one reason why I'm glad to be in AAP, we all got a voice. Also finally got my 7s . 

 

I just feel like in the case of being on a 7s staff that is active and Full it may be hard to go above and beyond without someone feeling like your stepping on their toes . So clarification on that aspect is where I'm typically having a hard time. Think when you call it outstanding service it just means you hit all point of your job without fail .At Least for Os Lvl 1

You got Co founder and Co head of productions at the same time? Congrats!

[Finally FaIIout 99]

16 hours ago, Emmy The Boss said:

Once everyone has given their view of the requirements, I'll cover your question In the meantime, would you care to elaborate on the original question?

Any other comments on the question as a whole? 

 

And keep it up, guys! It is interesting and enlightening to read all your statements. It may seem simple and straightforward, the work we do. We have awards, they have requirements, if there is sufficient evidence, the award can be given out. But some of our awards are slightly more complex (as we can evidently see from your responses), and that means that we have to discuss them to make sure that we are all on the same page  As soon as we have some more replies, I'll make sure to cover all bases and answer any questions. 

I can agree on this and would like to have a list of things to better the system so I'll just brainstorm my ideas on this post: 

*1: Could go back to a detailed list of achievements and statements (Although on the 2nd Lvl 2 nomination for Mpliers I found that only 1 or 2 of those statements listed good hard facts that weren't biased or things you had to be around Pliers to actually know he does the things people say he does. 

*2: Could open it up to a popular vote (depends on the OS and I prefer us to vote on it plus I personally hate/dislike this idea but I put it out in case it's liked by the rest of us) where all members or certain ones such as 7's are able to vote on whether or not this person truly deserves the OS. The only 7's/ member not able to vote would be the ones who made statements and the one who nominated said plaintiff. Of course the votes required would vary on many things and would require heavy debate and discussion but... I don't think this idea will get very far because of how it's oriented. 

Those are two ideas I thought of off the bat that either give you an idea or a spin-off that could be better. I would love to see OS's in a better place because in its current state people seemingly forget all the things you've done that are factual and could be used to help your case in an OS. Also Skarzx congratulations on the promotions man @KSI Skarzx 77.

(Edit: I think the requirements are fine as they are by the way.)

Edited September 21, 2017 by FaIIout

[Finally FaIIout 99]

Also, I saw the divisional OTM was moved to under our AAP section instead of it being inside of our section. Are they being brought back or whats going on with them?

[Scarface 77 359]

I didn't make co-founder , Im still a General of Vendetta in EO. 

[Finally FaIIout 99]

11 minutes ago, KSI Skarzx 77 said:

I didn't make co-founder , Im still a General of Vendetta in EO. 

*Promotion* lol but still congrats

[Emmy The Boss 308]

7 hours ago, FaIIout said:

Also, I saw the divisional OTM was moved to under our AAP section instead of it being inside of our section. Are they being brought back or whats going on with them?

Some of the technical issues we have been having should hopefully be resolved now, but Scotland and I will be reviewing the programme, and maybe make some tweaks and what's not as soon as we're launching it back up you guys will be the first to know though

[Scotland 523]

4 hours ago, Emmy The Boss said:

Some of the technical issues we have been having should hopefully be resolved now, but Scotland and I will be reviewing the programme, and maybe make some tweaks and what's not as soon as we're launching it back up you guys will be the first to know though

What she said 

[Finally FaIIout 99]

Sweet

[Emmy The Boss 308]

Alright, everyone, it has been a week since I issued the challenge for each and everyone of you to post up a nomination for someone in the community, and to look for some awards to nominate for that we haven't seen very much lately. I was very happy to see that five of you guys submitted your nominations through the week, and we've seen a mix of people and awards represented, good job! I am however a little sad to see that four of you have not been able to complete the challenge. And it happens, sometimes real life comes in between and you cannot be as active as you usually are in the department. I do however want to point out, that being on the AAP staff means that there are more expectations on you than merely voting on nominations or posting in the staff chat once a month or so. Maintaining our nominations and keeping an active discussion here in the staff chat are only the two simplest tasks of the job. The staff also needs to actively promote activity, either through posting nominations for members around you to show people the range of what the AAP department covers, or through promoting our high profile awards (OTMs/OTYs), teaching members who do not know anything about the AAP how to participate and so on. With this challenge, what I really wanted you guys to take with you is this: you guys have an immense power to help the AAP grow and become more visible and utilised within the community. And I hope to see that you all take this to heart even now after my weekend challenge is over  

As for the other challenge, most of you have contributed in some way, but there are still a couple of people who haven't told us what they believe are the requirements to receive the different awards. I'll give you another day to submit more detail, before I'll start breaking down the awards for you guys and address some of the uncertainties that have arisen during our discussions.  

Now, enjoy your weekend, and make sure to get voting on the open nominations that require some attention